Dienstag, 25. Juni 2013

Connect a third party microphone to a Cisco SX20

Preface

The Cisco SX20 comes as a Quick Set including the codec, camera and microphone. It´s designed to use it as it is. In contrast, the C-Codecs Series (C40,C60,C90) are integrator codecs and able to integrate with external AV-equipment. I always recommend to use a C-codec if the SX20 was not sufficient.

For various reasons, however, it may still be necessary to connect an external microphone to the SX20.

About the microphone input

The SX20 has two mic inputs on the rear. It´s a 4pin 3.5mm mini jack with the following pinout:


It should be easy to connect an external microphone, but I found out the following:

Adapter Cable

Using a 3,5mm mini-jack for a symmetric microphone is very uncommon. Symmetric audio connections are using XLR or 6,3mm stereo plugs. There are some adapter cables from XLR-female to 3,5mm, but these are internally bridged to connect a symmetric XLR mic to a asymmetric device like a camera or pc. So it´s hard to get a ready made cable for this application.

Phantom Power

I have found that there is no phantom voltage, even though it is stated in the specifications. The 11V I could only measure between mic control and ground. So it will not be possible to simply connect an external mic, which requires Phantom Power.


Solution

To connect an external XLR-Mic which requires Phantom Power (like the Audioscience Ceiling Mic), do the following:

Get the right cable

We will need a cable with the following pinout:
Microphone Adapter Cable


There are several ways to get such a cable:

  • do it yourself: Take a XLR-female plug, a mic cable and a 3.5mm 4pin plug and solder as described.
  • buy it ready made: really hard to get, but you can get it from AVnet.ca
  • modify a ready made: There are some cables with the correct plugs but false pin-out. But you could modifiy one of these by removing the bridge within the XLR plug.
  • use adapter cables: as they are easier to get
    • 3,5mm Stereo<-->6,3mm Stereo (without bridge!)
    • 6,3mm Stereo<-->XLR Female (without bridge!)
    • Plus a TRRS to TRS adapter cable like descripted below

Get Phantom Power

As i wrote above, there seems to be no phantom power from SX20, but it´s easy to solve. Simply get an external phantom power supply, which adds the needed voltage (usually 48Volts). It should be a box with external power supply instead of a battery. Check your mic, which voltage is needed. Many mics accept a range between 12-48V. These little helpers are cheap to get anywhere online or offline.
Rolls PB23 Phantom Power Supply
Even I do not recommend it, you could also make the phantom power supply by yourself by using the 11Volts from mic control. You should check the specs of your microphone, if the provided voltage is high enough. You should also consider, that most microphones do have a lower sensitivity and quality at lower voltages and longer cables yould also cause a lower sound level.


Prevent shortening mic control and ground

I´ve measured 11Volts between Mic Control and Ground. A 3pin 3,5mm Plug would shorten these two pins. It even works but is not optimal. If you´ve made your own cable by using a 4pin plug, simply do not connect the 3rd pin. I´ve used a little headset adapter used for PCs or Mobile Phones to prevent this:
TRRS to TRS Adapter Cable from Lindy
It has the following pin-out:
T(ip): Audio+ <---> Green Headset jack (T)ip
R(ing): Audio- <---> Green Headset jack R(ing)
R(ing): Mic <---> Pink Mic jack (Tip)
S(leeve): Ground <---> Green and Pink jack (S)leeve

Simply put the plug into the SX20 and the mic cable into the green headset jack.

Note: Adapters which are made for Apple iphone, ipad or HTC etc. do not work. They do have a different pin-out. Mic and ground are reversed. A very good overview regarding this can be found here.


The final solution with adapters


External Links




17 Kommentare:

  1. nice post! I know that it works, but this is a really good explanation how to do it!

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  2. do I still get to mute the microphone with remote control?

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  3. Hello, Has anyone got this working with a iphone style headset?

    I am breaking out the 4 pin 3.5mm to two 3.5mm male connectors (Mic / Headset) but it's still not working. This works well for my computer but not when connected to the SX20 or C20?

    Do you think this has to do with powering the mic? If so, what would be required to power the mic.

    Thanks in advance for any assistance.

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    1. Hi Lex

      this will be really hard to solve, because the SX20 has a balanced input, while smartphones and PCs do have a unbalanced input and a different kind of power supply.

      But if you have time and a soldering iron, read this:
      http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/microphone_powering.html

      thanks
      Tino

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  4. I too can't find the correct headset adapter, everything online seems to be for iPhones, I have bought three different ones now and none work so if someone finds one and could post the link I would be most appreciative. Thanks for the blog post, it is very useful.

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    1. Hi

      no worries - we will find a solution. Which mic do you want to connect and in which country are you at home?

      thanks
      Tino

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    2. I am in the US. I am trying to hook up a Shure MX690 (with a SLX4 receiver). I think the rest of my adapters are working because if I pull out the headset adapter about halfway the SX20 shows a connection but I can't get the plug to stay halfway out. Any ideas? Thank you so much for responding.

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    3. I´ve got mine from Lindy:

      http://www.lindy-usa.com/pc-to-earphone-mic-headset-adapter-cable-35509.html

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  5. Thanks for the link, I really appreciate it! I will let you know how it goes once I get the adapter.

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  6. UPDATE: I have added some info regarding a ready made cable from AVnet.ca which they can ship globally also together with a Phantom Power Supply if needed.

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  7. SX10-mic-in-external-signal


    Audio Signal is Tip & R1
    Audio wont pass unless 100 R + 360 R resistors are connected between R2 & Sleeve



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  8. SX10 Mic In External Signal
    Audio Signal is Tip & R1
    Audio wont pass unless 100 R + 360 R resistors are connected between R2 & Sleeve

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  9. Thank you for giving me the information. if you like to know more about cisco pc headset adapter. Buy Headset Buddy PC Dual 3.5mm Headset to RJ9/RJ10 CISCO Phone Adapter (PC35-RJ9Cisco): Headsets - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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  10. Hi,

    This seems to be a good techi page. I am freaking out a little bit because currently I have 3 Cisco Audio Science Ceiling microphones and the SX20 codec has only two audio inputs. Could you suggest some adapters or any other solution that would help me connecting 3 Cisco Audio Science Ceiling microphones to the codec? That would really help a lot.

    Thanks,
    Amit

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    2. You could use an Automatic Mixer. e.g. the Shure SCM410

      This gives you some control over the room noise and the Shure can be set to mic level output. Connect the output to a mic input of the SX20.

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